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Preserved Steam in Argentina (Part 5)

This is turning out to take longer than I’d anticipated. I’ve researched some more locomotives in Argentina, and the following are the changes I’ve come up with. More to come in the future.

  • 7-26-2017 La Chaquena Buenos Aires 0-6-0T in Villa Angela, Argentia. Corrected the railroad name. Corrected status and location. Added a Google Street View photo and a satellite image/map.
  • 7-26-2017 Minetti 0-4-0WT at Pechos Theme Park. Added a linked photo for this locomotive.
  • 7-28-2017 FCGU 2-4-2T No. 28 displayed outside the old railway station in Gualeguay, Argentina. Added satellite image, map, and photo for this locomotive.
  • 7-28-2017 FCGU 2-6-0 No. 81 displayed at the railway museum in Gualeguaychu, Argentina. Added satellite image, map and street view photo for this locomotive.
  • 7-28-2017 FCGU 4-6-0 No. 658 at the National Railway Museum in Retiro, Argentina. Corrected location, city and status.
  • 7-28-2017 Corrected city name to Huinca Renanco for three locomotives listed as being in H. Renanco.
  • 7-28-2017 FCGSM 2-8-2 No. 3001 in Huinca Renanco, Argentina. Corrected build date to 1929
  • 7-29-2017 Orenstein & Koppel 0-4-0WT C/N 11368 located in Isla del Cerrito, Argentina. Added a link to an article about this locomotive, also added a satellite view and map.
  • 7-29-2017 FCGR (BAGS) 0-6-2T No. 583 Displayed at Ferrocentral in La Banda, Argentina. Corrected location, status. Added a satellite image and map. Added a Google Street View of the locomotive.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by on July 29, 2017 in Website

 

Preserved Steam in Argentina (Part 4)

Further research into preserved steam in Argentina. The following changes have been made to our database and website:

  • 7-24-2017 FCGU 0-6-0T+T No. 651 (658) stored in Liniers, Argentina. Corrected status. Corrected a typo in the locomotive number.
  • 7-24-2017 CIABASA 0-6-0T+T in Macachin, Argentina. Corrected railroad name to Cia Introductora. Updated status, current location and fuel.
  • 7-24-2017 Unknown 0-4-0WT in Neuquen, Argentina. Corrected status. Removed a duplicate entry for this locomotive.
  • 7-24-2017 FCGU 0-4-0WT No. A in Once, Argentina. Corrected number, location and status. Linked to a photo of the locomotive.
  • 7-24-2017 FCGU 0-8-0WT No. 667 in Parana, Argentina. Corrected location and status.
  • 7-24-2017 Antonio Ferro Y Hijos 0-4-0T in Peninsula Valdez, Argentina. Corrected the spelling of the railroad name and gauge. Corrected location to Puerto Piramides. Also removed duplicate of this locomotive.
  • 7-25-2017 0-4-0WT displayed in Posadas, Argentina. Corrected gauge, location, rr of origin and status. Linked to a photo, and an information page.
  • 7-25-2017 Salinas Babedero 0-6-0T corrected city to Balde, Argentina
  • 7-25-2017 FCGB 0-8-0T No. 208 formerly at Valle Hermoso, Argentina hasn’t been reported since the tourist railway closed in 1983. Moved to the “Lost” category
  • 7-25-2017 Azucarera Ledesma 0-6-0T No. 14 (erroneously listed as No. 4) Corrected location, wheel arrangement and linked to a photo.
  • 7-25-2017 Azucarera Ledesma 0-4-0T No. 11 Linked photo and info page. Corrected current location.
 
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Posted by on July 26, 2017 in Website

 

Preserved Steam in Argentina (Part 3)

Researched the following locomotives and updated their records as indicated.

  • 7-23-2017 FCGR (BAGS) 0-4-0T The photo by I.B. Smith shows this locomotive in a shed consistent with that at the National Railway Museum in Buenos Aires. For an unknown reason, we showed images 640, 800 and 1024 wide. None of these exist, and the data error has been fixed.
  • 7-23-2017 A.G. Puertos 0-6-0T No. 8 listed at an unknown location in Comodoro Rivadavia, Argentina. Located a recent photo by “Gonce” of this locomotive on display at Museo Ferroportuario in Comodoro Rivadavia, Argentina. Updated the locomotive’s record and added the aforementioned photo. Also added a satellite image and map showing the locomotive.
  • 7-23-2017 Puerto S. Fe 0-6-0T listed as being located in Costanera Santa Fe, Argentina. The railroad name is actually Costanera Santa Fe (Santa Fe Port Authority) and the city is Santa Fe. The locomotive is displayed in a public park in Santa Fe. You can see it here: Information Page
  • 7-23-2017 FCGB 0-6-2T No. 1109 listed in Cruz del Eje, Argentina. Not seen during a visit to Cruz del Eje in April of 1996. Also missing in 2007. Moved this one to the “Lost” Category.
  • 7-23-2017 Minetti 0-6-0T listed in the possession of Juan Minetti in Dumesnil, Argentina. Relocated to the Pecos Theme Park in Villa Carlos Paz, Argentina. Reported stored at that location.
  • 7-23-2017 Minetti 0-4-0WT displayed at the Hotel Bremen, Villa General Belgrano, Argentina. Linked to a photograph and added a link to a website with more information.
  • 7-23-2017 Unknown 0-4-0T in Gustavo Heller, Argentina is verified from the internet and found C/N for it. Updated record.
  • 7-23-2017 Chaco 0-4-0WT on Isla del Cerrito, Argentina. Verified its existence from internet sources.
  • 7-23-2017 Penal Colony 0-4-0T in La Plata, Argentina. Added a linked photo for this locomotive.

 

 

 
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Posted by on July 23, 2017 in Website

 

Preserved Steam in Argentina (Part 2)

Didn’t have a lot of time today to work on this project, but I’ve included the research done today below. One comment: the original source material  listed locomotives owned by the National Railway Museum as being located AT the National Railway Museum in whatever town they were in. This is somewhat inaccurate, and we’re researching this to try to include more accurate locations.

Work done today:

  • 7-22-2017 After discussion with a recent visitor to Campana, Argentina, I received the following information: “All six locomotives remaining in Campana are, indeed, owned by the National Railway Museum. They are stored or displayed on the grounds of the Campana Workshops”
  • 7-22-2017 FCGU 4-8-2 No. 838 is located at “Tren a las Nubes” in Campo Quijano, Argentina and is displayed near the tourist railway’s trackage. Updated the record for the locomotive to reflect its correct location and status.
  • 7-22-2017 An unknown 0-4-0T listed in Centenario, Argentina is actually located in Contralmirante Cordero, Argentina. The railroad of origin is Rio Negro Dam Project. Updated the locomotive’s record to reflect this.
  • 7-22-2017 FCGR (BAGS) 0-6-2T No. 593 Corrected location and status for this locomotive. Added a satellite image and map for it. Also added a Google Street View photo of the locomotive.
  • 7-22-2017 FGSM 0-6-0ST No. 2529 is located at the Railway Station in Chacabuco, Argentina. Corrected location and status. Added a satellite image and map for this locomotive. Added a Google Street View photo.
  • 7-22-2017 FCGU 4-8-0 Nos. 514. 515 and 516 are reported to be on the property of Emepa SA in Chascomus, Argentina. The company has approximately 40 railway passenger cars, some street cars, numerous railway trucks and other related equipment on site. A recent visitor reported that these locomotives are stored inside one of the large buildings. I’ve added a satellite image and map showing the location, and corrected the status in the locomotives’ records.

 

 
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Posted by on July 22, 2017 in Website

 

The Accuracy Project

There is no doubt that a significant number of entries in the steamlocomotive.info database are based upon old, old data which may or may not be correct. In the past I’ve relied upon site visitors to notice, and communicate corrections to us, and will continue to do this.

I have, however, decided to begin a methodical research project to revisit, verify and/or correct the information for each and every locomotive in our database. This will be done, mostly, through research on the internet, and it is my intention to report what I’ve discovered here. I have begun with the country of Argenina. Here’s what I have done so far:

  • 7-21-2017 FCGM 2-6-2T No. 2803 at Campana, Argentina is owned by the National Railway Museum and stored at the Campana Workshops
    as of March, 1997. Record corrected to reflect the location. Been told in an email, that the Campana locomotives reported in 1997 by Preserved Argentinian Steam were still in place as of 2012.
  • 7-21-2017 FCGM 0-4-0 at Campana, Argentina. The locomotive is listed as being at the National Railway Museum in Campana, Argentina. It is actually an 0-4-0WT. The locomotive carries the name “Cordova” and is actually displayed at the track shop in Campana. Locomotive’s record updated to reflect this information. An excellent reference for preserved Argentinian steam is Preserved Argentinian Steam. Information from the web page cited was said to be from 1997. With reference to this locomotive we have confirmation via an email in 2012.
  • 7-21-2017 FCGDFS 2-6-2T No. 829 (825) 2-6-2T This locomotive is owned by Club FCO in Caballito, Argentina. FCO is Club Ferrocarril Oeste, and is, apparently something like a health club. According to a 2005 newspaper clipping, the club does own this locomotive and it was at that point stored. Status changed to reflect this.
  • 7-20-2017 FCGU 2-10-0 No. 3014 was listed as being located in C.d. Uruguay, Argentina. Some research revealed that the city name is Concepcion del Uruguay, Argentina. Changed the locomotive’s record to indicate this, and changed the status to ‘Stored’ as a result of information on the museum’s webpage.
  • 7-20-2017 Naval Base 0-6-0T No. 3 in Belgrano, Argentina. Researched this one, and could find no online presence for the locomotive. No change to status, pending further research.
  • 7-20-2017 FCBG 4-6-2 No. 4664 in Balnearia, Argentina. Record showed a note had been posted for the locomotive but the note was missing. Fixed this.
  • 7-19-2017 FC Pacifico 0-4-0T previously located at the Aguara Railway Station in General Daniel Cerri, Argentina hasn’t been seen since shortly after the railway station was abandoned in 2011. No information has been found regarding its current location, condition or disposition. Moved to the “Lost” category.
  • 7-19-2017 FCGU (FCCBA) 4-6-2 No. 92 (52) was reportedly located at the Argentine National Railway Museum in Astarzas, Argentina. The museum is actually located in Retiro, Argentina, which is a district of Buenos Aires. The locomotive is confirmed to be there, but I’ve been unable to locate a photo of it.
  • 7-19-2017 Unknown 0-4-0WT No. 8 listed in Alte. Cordoba, Argentina may or may not exist. It isn’t contained in the comprehensive list of preserved O&K locomotives (Preserved O&K Steam Locomotives) and the only reference we’ve been able to find to it was in James Hefner’s Surviving World Steam CD. Moved to the “Lost” category pending further research.
  • 7-19-2017 FCGB 2-6-2 No. 4612 is listed in Arroyito, Argentina, and we were able to verify it’s current location and status.
  • 7-19-2017 FCGR (BAGS) 2-6-2T No. 3351 is still displayed outside the Regional Museum in Ayacucho, Argentina. More information about it is available at Steam Locomotive Blog and I’ve added a link to that site to the record for this locomotive.
  • 7-19-2017 FCGR (BAGS) 4-6-0 No. 3814 is owned by the Raltren Club of Bahia Blanca, Argentina and is still at its last reported location. Added a link to the Raltren Club’s official website (Raltren Club of Bahia Blanca)

 

 

 

 

 
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Posted by on July 21, 2017 in Website

 

Website News (June 28th, 2017)

Minor Disaster

Somewhere around 4:20 am, on June 25th, I made a colossal mistake, more through over-confidence and exhaustion, than incompetence, though that played a role as well. There are two fields in the database record for each locomotive, labelled ‘State’ and ‘Fullstate’.  The idea for these fields was that we’d be able to have a state or province, and its proper abbreviation. ‘Minnesota’ and ‘MN’, for example.

So, what did I do? There was a locomotive in Russia that was listed in the wrong province. Rather than using the site’s administrative interface (slow and clumsy) to fix it, I decided to edit the database directly. And I correctly set up the State and Fullstate values for the locomotive in question. And applied the change to the entire database instead of to the one locomotive I’d planned on fixing. This had no impact on countries where the two fields weren’t in use, but for Russia, Canada, the United States, South Africa, the United Kingdom, Germany, Japan and Australia it was catastrophic. Essentially 10,689 locomotives suddenly became invisible on the website. If I editted the record for a locomotive to put the correct values back in those fields, it reappeared with its data intact. But the prospect of hand editting 10,689 records was somewhat daunting.

I opened an emergency support ticket with my hosting provider, and confusion ensued. They were intially of the impression that they were backing up our database nightly, but literally couldn’t find the backup files. After some hours, some discussion and a fair bit of self-loathing, I sat down and began the hand editting process. After a bit, I got a pretty good feel for how fast I could do this, and my initial estimate was that the site would be back to normal in about 3 months. So I sat down and began writing a tool to speed up the process. About midway through the writing process I got an excited phone call from the hosting provider stating that they’d found the backups, that they were about 27 hours old and did I want them to restore the database? Yes. Oh heck yes! Si. Da. Jawohl. And they did.

The website and database returned to the precise state they were in at 1:30 am on Jun 24th, 2017. If notes were posted, links or photos added, or even locomotives added to the site between the time of the backup and the time of the mistake, they were gone. Fortunately it was neither difficult nor tedious to re-enter most of it. And the prolific user of Notes, ILFORD, who has provided a vast quantity of useful information, simply reposted the information that disappeared.

So, the site is caught up, the database is clean and tidy, and I’ve developed a set of stored procedures that will protect me from myself. Thanks for your patience.

And to those of you who didn’t notice: you need to visit us more often (that’s supposed to be a joke).

 

 
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Posted by on June 28, 2017 in Website

 

Website News

New Content

  • Over the past 30 days we’ve added a total of 84 locomotives to the website and database which were previously unknown to us. These are mostly “park locomotives”, but include several full-sized locomotives as well.
  • We’ve corrected the listings for 212 locomotives, adding details, correcting  technical details or changing the locomotives location to reflect current reality.
  • We’ve added over 1000 new satellite images/maps to the site, mostly in Canada and the United States. When we finish reviewing our information for these two countries we’ll move on to adding images/maps elsewhere.
  • We’ve added photos for over 100 additional locomotives in the past 30 days

New Features

We’ve created a new category and status called ‘Lost Locomotives’. These are locomotives which were known to exist in the recent past, have not been reported scrapped and whose location is currently unknown. You can see a list of these locomotives at: http://steamlocomotive.info/lostlocomotives.cfm

If you visit the information page for one of these locomotives, you’ll see this icon. Click it and you’ll get a little window with a summary of what we know about the locomotive’s location, history and sometimes ownershiop.

 

 

 

Editorial Policy

Judging from the email that I receive, a brief explanation of some of the editorial policies we follow at steamlocomotive.info may be in order. Often we receive email questioning differences between Wes Barris’ steamlocomotive.com and our site. In some cases, Wes is more up to date than we are, in others we’re a bit ahead of him. We communicate often in hopes of keeping these differences to a minimum. Other differences result from differences in policies. To explain:

  • steamlocomotive.com lists “Tender Only” as a locomotive. In other words, if only the tender from a locomotive exists, it will be listed on steamlocomotive.com as a locomotive. We don’t do that.
  • steamlocomotive.info (our site) does NOT list gas/mechanical or diesel mechanical steam outline locomotives unless, all or part of the locomotve was actually a steam locomotive at one time. If a steam locomotive has been dieselized, or become gasoline powered then we list it  If you’re looking for steam outline locomotives like these Wes lists a number of them at http://steamlocomotive.com
  • We do NOT list steam locomotives with gauges less than 12″
  • Buried locomotives. We will not list a reported “buried” locomotive unless we have solid evidence that the locomotive is/was buried in the reported location and that it still exists.
  • Sunk locomotives. Treated the same as buried locomotives.

 

 
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Posted by on May 17, 2017 in Website